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Did The "old guy" McCain just "play" Obama like a fiddle?

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Do you think McCain "Played" Obama to get the Rezko story out?

  • Yes they outsmarted him
    38%
  • NO WAY
    48%
  • Looks suspicious
    10%
  • Not Sure
    3%

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There have been dozens of seeded articles on Newsvine and the general Media about McCain's 'senior moment" when he couldn't remember how many houses he owned.

The Obama Campaign and the bloggesphere immediately "piled on" stating that McCain was "elitist" and "out of touch".

The Obama campaign, sensing an opening, immediately ran an ad campaign , painting McCain as out of touch.

Did the McCain Campaign just "play" Barack Obama?

One of the biggest thorns in Obama's side has been his association with Tony Rezko.

Obama's house purchase has always been a source of controversy. In 2006, the Chicago Tribune reported that on the day of the closing, the wife of Obama's longtime friend and fundraiser Antoin "Tony" Rezko closed on an adjoining lot that had been the estate's side yard.

The Obamas bought the house for $300,000 less than the asking price of $1.95 million, while Rezko's wife, Rita, bought the neighboring lot for the full asking price of $625,000. Rita Rezko later sold a portion of the undeveloped lot to the Obamas, enlarging the senator's yard.

The Obama campaign has avoided Rezko issue like a plague.

Tony Rezko already had been linked to a grand jury investigation involving public corruption. He was convicted of 16 counts in an influence-peddling scheme that reached the highest levels of Illinois state government.

The McCain campaign had said little of this as they were runningan avbove board campaign. Obama must have felt like he "dodged a bullet" as his association with Rezko painted him as not having good choices of friends.

So DID John McCain really "forget how many houses he owned?

It would appear not.. The McCain Campaign is now fighting back against questions about his house holdings by opening a new website focusing on past questions about Sen. Barack Obama's dealings with controversial Chicago businesssman Tony Rezko it was reported in Politico today.

The campaign was getting the site ready Thursday afternoon. McCain surrogates on television were being armed with facts about Rezko's relationship to Obama's purchase of his Chicago home in 2005.

Previewing the message the campaign will seek to drive, a McCain spokesman said: "In an attempt to make something stick, Barack Obama has re-aired his dirty laundry with convicted felon Tony Rezko that led to a highly questionable land deal. Rezko's dirty dealings are well-documented and his relationship with Barack Obama goes back 20 years."

So McCains "forgetfullness" about how many houses he owned gave the Obama campaign a way to pounce with a ad of McCain being out of touch, But that gave McCain a legitamate way to bring the Rezko scandal back to light.

Looks like they had everything ready and were just hoping Obama would jump. Now I dont play basketball but it looks like McCain faked him out and just made a 3 point mid court shot!

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{"commentId":2533175,"authorDomain":"lpwillham"}

So how much will the "Return of the Rezko Scandal" affect both campaigns. It was certainly the last think Obama needed being tied to Tony Rezko after his conviction on influence peddling.

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  • 6 votes
Reply#1 - Thu Aug 21, 2008 5:39 PM EDT
{"commentId":2534971,"authorDomain":"roybatty"}

The difference is the "forgetting how many houses I have" is a new development, and McCain responds with tired worn-out stuff. He might as well said, "Oh, yeah, did you know Barack Obama's father was a Muslim?"

Wanna go old? Keating 5. There's some real good mining there. Or the moral character of a adulterer. Or why is he still taking that $53,000 each year for "disability?"

If McCain wants to go lower, he should realize to could be a deep, deep pit.

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  • 5 votes
#1.1 - Thu Aug 21, 2008 7:41 PM EDT
{"commentId":2536026,"authorDomain":"barry-rutherford"}

They agreed on a lower purchase price nothing illegal with that !

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  • 4 votes
#1.2 - Thu Aug 21, 2008 8:52 PM EDT
{"commentId":2536269,"authorDomain":"Orwell"}

Can you say Phil Gramm...Enron...How 'bout oil speculators and Phil Gramm's wife...maybe telcos?

Yeah, if you're McCain you want to keep trying to pull that Rezko stuff, because you're pure as the driven @!$%#ing snow.

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  • 4 votes
#1.3 - Thu Aug 21, 2008 9:08 PM EDT
{"commentId":2536777,"authorDomain":"lnab"}

MORE THAN A BONEHEADED MISTAKE

Obama's that live in glass houses should NOT throw stones. At least McCain and his wife didn't use a guy convicted of BRIBERY and FRAUD to buy his houses.

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  • 4 votes
#1.4 - Thu Aug 21, 2008 9:43 PM EDT
{"commentId":2536885,"authorDomain":"lnab"}

http://www.borderfirereport.net/latest/judicial-watch-files-senate-fec-complaints-against-barack-obama-over-questionable-mortgage-loan.html

Judicial Watch Files Senate, FEC Complaints against Barack Obama over Questionable Mortgage Loan

and just wait till McCain starts airing the ads on this...and it was Obama who opened the door with his inexperienced mouth

I know, I know... Hillary must have made him do it because everything HAS TO BE her fault!

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  • 4 votes
#1.5 - Thu Aug 21, 2008 9:50 PM EDT
{"commentId":2536927,"authorDomain":"Orwell"}

You're absolutely right. McCain just dumped his first wife so he could marry a trophy wife who happens to have millions, has over 160 lobbyists running his campaign, has thrown in with Phil Gramm as his economic adviser (the guy who helped write the law which made it possible for Enron to rip off millions of people and helped write the law which helped make it possible for energy speculators to jack up oil prices so that his wife could make money).

Not to mention all of McCain's other peccadilloes. But you go right along believing that it's okay for him to act like an @!$%# about someone else. It'll be fun beating the @!$%# out the stupid little man.

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  • 4 votes
#1.6 - Thu Aug 21, 2008 9:54 PM EDT
{"commentId":2538609,"authorDomain":"fallenmitten"}

I'm not sure how admitting you're so out of touch with how rich you are and not candidate "of the average American" to attempt to associate your competitor with a story from his past is really worth the effort. Unless you think, that possibly there a few autoworkers with two to three homes that would find this to be the deciding factor to vote in your favor?

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  • 2 votes
#1.7 - Thu Aug 21, 2008 11:54 PM EDT
{"commentId":2539117,"authorDomain":"jade-log"}

NY Times, 22, 2008: (re McCain's buddy)

"The more puzzling piece revolves around two deals tied up in the closing of the military base at Fort Ord. The first deal: '
In the mid-1990s, Mr. Diamond set his sights on Monterey County, Calif., where the Army was closing Fort Ord. It was a dream property — hundreds of undeveloped acres and two golf courses in the ocean-misted hills overlooking Monterey Bay, one of California's great tourist destinations.

Tipped off by a fellow Tucson developer, Mr. Diamond had snapped up a housing complex there that had been built on land leased from the Army, giving him the inside track to buying the land when the base shut down.

After the Army did so in 1994, Mr. Diamond asked Mr. McCain, a member of the Senate Armed Services Committee, for an introduction with an Army official who could work out a sale. Mr. McCain's legislative aide, Ann Sauer, arranged a meeting with Paul W. Johnson, a deputy assistant secretary, a Diamond executive involved in the deal said.

When the talks stalled over price and water supply, Ms. Sauer interceded with the Army, according to Mr. Diamond's deposition and others involved. "She showed up and got the thing resolved," Mr. Diamond said.

Mr. McCain's campaign aides said in a statement they did not believe Ms. Sauer's involvement went beyond setting up the Pentagon meeting. Ms. Sauer, who no longer works for Mr. McCain, said she could not recall details of her role. A spokesman for the Army declined to comment. Mr. Diamond finally bought the land for $250,000 in 1999. He obtained an unusual guarantee from the Army that provided a generous water allowance outside the standard allocation process — a bonus that continues to rankle municipal officials on the dry Monterey Peninsula.

"Those guys got a sweetheart deal," said Michael Keenan, whose family bought the housing complex from Mr. Diamond for nearly $30 million two years later. Mr. Diamond acknowledged turning a profit of $20 million."

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  • 3 votes
#1.8 - Fri Aug 22, 2008 1:02 AM EDT
{"commentId":2539219,"authorDomain":"jade-log"}

More below at #2.2

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  • 1 vote
#1.9 - Fri Aug 22, 2008 1:16 AM EDT
{"commentId":2541006,"authorDomain":"jhall22"}

Barry said in 1.2: They agreed on a lower purchase price nothing illegal with that ! Are you kidding me? What a sweetheart deal. Asking price of $1.95 million and the Obamas get it for $300,000 less. Sure, nothing suspicious about that. Not.

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  • 1 vote
#1.10 - Fri Aug 22, 2008 9:27 AM EDT
{"commentId":2541269,"authorDomain":"bondibox"}
Asking price of $1.95 million and the Obamas get it for $300,000 less. Sure, nothing suspicious about that. Not.

It was the best offer the sellers received.

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    #1.11 - Fri Aug 22, 2008 10:02 AM EDT
    {"commentId":2541676,"authorDomain":"webslinger"}

    janice,

    clearly you don't know the housing market.....a 300k discount is large (thats almost twice what my home is appraised at), but when looking at it as a percentage, its no different than a 3000 discount on a 100k home or 6000 on a 200k home. In a higher-end market, that's a reasonable amount, not to mention that we don't know the circumstances the seller was in - did they face foreclosure? Was that the highest bid? Did they have to dump and run? - all those factors matter.

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      #1.12 - Fri Aug 22, 2008 10:37 AM EDT
      {"commentId":2541737,"authorDomain":"brianford"}

      Actually, from what I've heard, we know it was the highest bid.

      With that said, Obama himself has come out to say it was "bad judgement" and we also know that he's not be charged with any wrongdoing.

      So, for McCain to make an issue of this when he's been found to be guilty of "bad judgement" in the keating five scandal is absurd. He didn't reprimand himself -- others investigated and reprimanded him.

      In essence, he responded tos a jab about his own elitism weighed against claims that he's a "common man" and charges of elitism towards his rival -- and raised that to a pretty hypocritical level with a reference that isn't even in the same league.

      Bad move (or bad form) on McCain's part.

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      • 4 votes
      #1.13 - Fri Aug 22, 2008 10:42 AM EDT
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      {"commentId":2533662,"authorDomain":"politicalcenter"}

      Interesting. The Rezko issue, like so many dealing with Obama, has been obfuscated, distorted, and misrepresented so frequently, it is unfortunately everywhere with no article putting the pieces thoroughly together apart from more Obama propaganda. So this election goes!

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      • 5 votes
      Reply#2 - Thu Aug 21, 2008 6:10 PM EDT
      {"commentId":2534681,"authorDomain":"JoulesBeef"}

      yep.. they forget he was cleared of wrong doign.. and even at 300k less it was stillt he going rate for market price..noone can show that obama did anythign for rezko and he isnt even one of thhose charged.. unlike the keating 5.
      obama has NOT avoided the issue like the plague.. he has commented it on it frequently there are over 1400 posts on rezko on baracks own site.. so much for hiding from it.. as well as several posts from barack himself.
      Two of the co defendans with rezno though are die hard hilary supporters who gave to her campaign.
      none of them gave to barack.. despite being "assocaited"
      and the gop has deeper ties to rezno than barack.. so if mccains wants to fight about hosues and rezno I say lett the dottering old fool.. he will quickly get slapped down by the gop like they did to him when he accidentally used the words "time table" instead of the gop approved "time horizon".
      you do know rezno gave 3.5 milliomn to the gop?
      who is Kjellander???
      mcgovern? google that.

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      • 3 votes
      #2.1 - Thu Aug 21, 2008 7:20 PM EDT
      {"commentId":2539201,"authorDomain":"jade-log"}

      NY Times Apri 22, 2008:

      A longtime political patron, Mr. Diamond is one of the elite fund-raisers Mr. McCain's current presidential campaign calls Innovators, having raised more than $250,000 so far. At home, Mr. Diamond is sometimes referred to as "The Donald," Arizona's answer to Donald Trump — an outsized personality who invites public officials aboard his flotilla of yachts (the Ace, King, Jack and Queen of Diamonds), specializes in deals with the government, and unabashedly solicits support for his business interests from the recipients of his campaign contributions.

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      • 2 votes
      #2.2 - Fri Aug 22, 2008 1:12 AM EDT
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      {"commentId":2534108,"authorDomain":"kick-boxer"}

      The reality is that BHO is just another Democratic ward heeler from the South Side of Chicago, a professional politician proficient in playing the partisan game, HOPING that this audacity will get him elected US President. This is what we call the Audcaity of HOPE! And plain old pure partisan politics in Chicago, IL. Nothing new here, nothing to see, folks, be on your way! Where did he come from, where did he go? Cotten Eyed Joe wants to know! LOL

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      • 8 votes
      Reply#3 - Thu Aug 21, 2008 6:39 PM EDT
      {"commentId":2538620,"authorDomain":"fallenmitten"}
      ward heeler

      A ward heeler is a person who assists in a political campaign by canvassing votes for a party and performing menial tasks for its leaders.

      I'm not sure what you meant by calling Obama a "ward heeler"?

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      • 3 votes
      #3.1 - Thu Aug 21, 2008 11:57 PM EDT
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      {"commentId":2534331,"authorDomain":"webslinger"}

      well at least you cited the Chicago Tribune as a source, I asked someone on another thread about this and didn't get a response.....It certainly sounds fishy to me and I will not defend it except to say this:

      In a buyer's market (after the housing bubble began to burst), it would not be uncommon for someone to sell a house at a substantially lower value than what market was, especially taking two things into account: 1. over-inflated/appraised value and 2. Over-under on the mortgage.....if the seller had to dump and run to avoid foreclosure....those are two very realistic possibilities.

      As for Rezko and the adjoining lot + selling a portion....I WISH I could answer that one, but I have no clue....but just because HE was a crook doesn't mean that THIS was illegal or unethical.

      Now, perhaps Obama is hiding something, perhaps he got a sweetheart deal by doing something personal for Rezko, or perhaps he just got lucky - I don't know....and unless more details come out, this story is going to die in the water....so McCain didn't exactly "play" Obama on this one, unless there's more dirt to be found. Still, the premise of McCain being a normal, everyday, average Joe is pretty much BS - no career senator is an average joe, certainly not one who owns 7 homes and is married to a beer heiress.

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      • 1 vote
      Reply#4 - Thu Aug 21, 2008 6:55 PM EDT
      {"commentId":2534563,"authorDomain":"lpwillham"}

      Here is what I have been able to find out just digging around: From an AP article:

      His staff said Friday evening that Rezko raised about $160,000 for Obama's successful run for U.S. Senate in 2004 and $60,000 to $90,000 for his state Senate campaigns and a failed bid for Congress in 2000.

      Previously, his presidential campaign said Rezko was connected to about $150,000, all of which was later donated to charity.

      "We reviewed our records for any contributions we believe could reasonably be credited to Mr. Rezko's political support and that is the generous estimate we concluded upon," spokesman Ben LaBolt said in an e-mail.

      So there is no doubt that Obama had some sort of relationship with Rezko. Some other interesting stuff.

      Starting in 2003, Rezko was one of the people on Obama's U.S. Senate campaign finance committee, which raised more than $14 million. Rezko threw an early fundraiser for Obama, which Chicago Tribune reporter David Mendelland claims was instrumental in providing Obama with seed money for his U.S. Senate race.

      In June 2007, the Sun-Times published a story about letters Obama had written in 1997 to city and state officials in support of a low-income senior citizen development project headed by Rezko and partner Allison Davis. The project received more than $14 million in taxpayer funds, including $885,000 in development fees for Rezko and Davis. Of Obama's letters in support of the Cottage View Terrace apartments development, Obama spokesman Bill Burton said, "This wasn't done as a favor for anyone, it was done in the interests of the people in the community who have benefited from the project. I don't know that anyone specifically asked him to write this letter nine years ago. There was a consensus in the community about the positive impact the project would make and Obama supported it because it was going to help people in his district." Rezko's attorney responded that "Mr. Rezko never spoke with, nor sought a letter from, Senator Obama in connection with that project

      Rezko was charged and convicted of 16 counts of "influence peddling". I wonder since the "media Honeymoon" might be over with Obama if reporters will start really investigating all this?

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      • 4 votes
      #4.1 - Thu Aug 21, 2008 7:12 PM EDT
      {"commentId":2534669,"authorDomain":"webslinger"}

      be careful what you wish for though...McCain has a LONG career that can be put under the microscope and he's not exactly spotless.....you might be right, hence why I said I'm not 'defending' it.

      I have no illusions about Obama - I don't think he walks on water and he's not the second coming, but i do think he's better than McCain.....8 years ago, McCain WAS the better choice between him and Bush, but he was railroaded by the GOP...now, he's too old, too bitter and he's pandering way too much....I have lost all respect for him.

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      • 3 votes
      #4.2 - Thu Aug 21, 2008 7:20 PM EDT
      {"commentId":2534703,"authorDomain":"JoulesBeef"}

      IT WAS NOT BELOW MARKET..
      it was below askign price
      obam was invetigated and they found nothing ip.. nada zilch.
      how ever several goprs are caught up int eh scandal as usual.

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      • 4 votes
      #4.3 - Thu Aug 21, 2008 7:21 PM EDT
      {"commentId":2534851,"authorDomain":"lpwillham"}

      Well Joules here the info i came up with, I think one could draw a different conclusion, Rezko bought the lot it the same day as Obama and Obama paid him 60,000 MORE than the assessed value for the "strip" of land he bought from Rezko. I think thats a little unusal to pay MORE that the assesed value from a guy that raised money for your campaign.

      In 2005 Obama purchased a new home in the Kenwood District of Chicago for $1.65 million ($300,000 below the original price) on the same day that Rezko's wife, Rita Rezko, purchased the adjoining empty lot from the same sellers for the full asking price. Obama acknowledged bringing his interest in the property to Rezko's attention, but denied any coordination of offers. According to Obama, while the properties had originally been a single property, the previous owners decided to sell the land as two separate lots, but made it a condition of the sales that they be closed on the same date. Obama also claimed that the properties had been on the market for months, that his offer was the best of two bids, and that Ms. Rezko's bid was matched by another offer, also of $625,000, so that she could not have purchased the property for less. Obama's description of the purchase was later confirmed by the previous owner of the house.

      After it had been reported in 2006 that Rezko was under federal investigation for influence-peddling, Obama purchased a 10 foot (3.0 m) wide strip of Ms. Rezko's property for $104,500, $60,000 above the assessed value. According to Chicago Sun-Times columnist, Mark Brown, "Rezko definitely did Obama a favor by selling him the 10-foot strip of land, making his own parcel less attractive for development." Obama acknowledges that the exchange may have created the appearance of impropriety, and stated "I consider this a mistake on my part and I regret it."

      On December 28, 2006, Ms. Rezko sold the property to a company owned by her husband's former business attorney. That sale of $575,000, combined with the earlier $104,500 sale to the Obamas, amounted to a net profit of $54,500 over her original purchase, less $14,000 for a fence along the property line and other expenses. In October 2007, the new owners put the still vacant land up for sale again, this time for $1.5 million

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      • 3 votes
      #4.4 - Thu Aug 21, 2008 7:32 PM EDT
      {"commentId":2535075,"authorDomain":"jade-log"}

      Politicians must deal with many kinds of people in many different situations. McCain is putting campaign on a slippery slope since he has played in several questionable real estate deals. Skimming money off the top into his own accounts. The Republicans never offer proof for their accusations they just repeat the lies they've constructed with partial information. It's whisper campaign with the volume turned up.

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      • 1 vote
      #4.5 - Thu Aug 21, 2008 7:48 PM EDT
      {"commentId":2535696,"authorDomain":"bondibox"}

      So you're claiming Obama paid less than market price for his house, and then he paid more than market price for the extra parcel, after it had appreciated in a hot market.

      This Rezko thing is much ado about nothing. You make it sound like the sale of both lots on the same day was some sort of sinister plot, when it was the seller who demanded that both lots sell together, thus Rezko's involvement.

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      • 1 vote
      #4.6 - Thu Aug 21, 2008 8:32 PM EDT
      {"commentId":2536557,"authorDomain":"lpwillham"}
      In a buyer's market (after the housing bubble began to burst), it would not be uncommon for someone to sell a house at a substantially lower value than what market was, especially taking two things into account: 1. over-inflated/appraised value and 2. Over-under on the mortgage.....if the seller had to dump and run to avoid foreclosure....those are two very realistic possibilities.

      Maybe, but it didnt look like the market had tanked in Chicago back then , if anything it was pretty strong in that price range. Obama's offer was one of two made so I presume they made the highest offer? But the "coincidence" that Rezko bought the lot is just to Unusual to me.

      {"commentId":2536557,"threadId":"336713","contentId":"1770853","authorDomain":"lpwillham"}
      • 3 votes
      #4.7 - Thu Aug 21, 2008 9:27 PM EDT
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      {"commentId":2534374,"authorDomain":"smackcover"}
      Looks like they had everything ready and were just hoping Obama would jump. Now I dont play basketball but it looks like McCain faked him out and just made a 3 point mid court shot!

      Now THAT gave me my first laugh of the day! Good for McCain. Can we call him MacDaddy now?

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      • 5 votes
      Reply#5 - Thu Aug 21, 2008 6:58 PM EDT
      {"commentId":2534715,"authorDomain":"JoulesBeef"}

      lol if you think that weak reply resonates with anyone but ,mccain supporters you are sorely mistaken.. but hey go for it.. cheer all you want.

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      • 2 votes
      #5.1 - Thu Aug 21, 2008 7:22 PM EDT
      {"commentId":2534813,"authorDomain":"smackcover"}

      Joules. First, thanks for your overly sarcastic and cutting reply to my little post. It was in no way meant to resonate with anyone, McCain supporters or not. Just my attempt at lightheartedness in this sea of folks who seem to think acrimonious criticism resonates with anyone but .... well .... people who like to spew acrimonious criticism!

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      • 5 votes
      #5.2 - Thu Aug 21, 2008 7:29 PM EDT
      {"commentId":2535020,"authorDomain":"lpwillham"}
      First, thanks for your overly sarcastic and cutting reply to my little post.

      Don't mind Joules he is just one of the many Obama supporter seeing the world through those rose colored glasses Obama passes out.

      I hear that Demand has falled as of late! The rose colored glass factory might have to lay some people off soon!

      Some people just have no sense of humor!

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      • 4 votes
      #5.3 - Thu Aug 21, 2008 7:45 PM EDT
      {"commentId":2535147,"authorDomain":"jade-log"}

      There are folks who are so wrapped up in the campaign that they have become what many of us became in the sixties. Remember don't trust anyone over thirty. This time around it's don't trust anyone over forty. I guess forty is the new thirty.

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      • 1 vote
      #5.4 - Thu Aug 21, 2008 7:53 PM EDT
      {"commentId":2536360,"authorDomain":"juno"}

      Samantha: at least you have permission to cheer all you want!

      Woo Hoo!

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      • 3 votes
      #5.5 - Thu Aug 21, 2008 9:14 PM EDT
      {"commentId":2536891,"authorDomain":"smackcover"}

      Thank G-d he gave me permission! ....otherwise, I might have to be quiet...that could be a problem.

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      • 3 votes
      #5.6 - Thu Aug 21, 2008 9:51 PM EDT
      {"commentId":2543011,"authorDomain":"JoulesBeef"}

      lol like mcgovern isnt so far up hilaries but that he sees out her rose colored glassed.
      Nah I'm not an obama supporter..
      SAY WHAT?? yep not.
      I'm against mcsame and the corporate shill hilary
      I'm a constituionalist.. which is why I will vote for the constituional lawyer I don't know a whole lot about.
      I do how ever know crap loads about mccain and hilary and I know better than to put either in the WH

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      • 1 vote
      #5.7 - Fri Aug 22, 2008 12:12 PM EDT
      {"commentId":2569726,"authorDomain":"smackcover"}
      I'm a constituionalist.. which is why I will vote for the constituional lawyer I don't know a whole lot about.
      I do how ever know crap loads about mccain and hilary and I know better than to put either in the WH

      While I don't agree with you, the above is an opinion I can respect because it was put in a way that was respectful and not a personal attack. Thank you.

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        #5.8 - Sun Aug 24, 2008 7:53 PM EDT
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        {"commentId":2534442,"authorDomain":"barry-llc"}

        The more of your articles I read, the more I become convinced that you are either a paid staffer for McCain or a shill for the campaign. Yeah, McCain played him alright - LOL. By the time the Obama Team gets done talking about McCain's involvement with and gifts from a convicted swindler named Charles Keating (that at least neutralizes the Rezko connection) and McCain's distorted perception of our economic condition, and McCain's 7 homes (at least 3 of which he didn't even remember), I don't think the McCain campaign will be feeling too tall.

        This season is going to be ugly and your articles fit right in. Keep on spewing...

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        Reply#6 - Thu Aug 21, 2008 7:02 PM EDT
        {"commentId":2534934,"authorDomain":"lpwillham"}

        Sorry I'm just a politcal junkie,like everybody else here. I did write for a paper back in college. IjustI happen to be a lifelong Moderate Democrats whose just really FED UP with the direction my party has taken this year. Just one of the Millions of fed up Moderate Democrats!

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        #6.1 - Thu Aug 21, 2008 7:37 PM EDT
        {"commentId":2535275,"authorDomain":"jade-log"}

        Anyone who has any reservation about Obama is an immediate turn coat and becomes Republican. I think that some of us older Americans voted for change before and it ended in tragedy and despair. As I get older I'm a little more circumspect and I look back at what I think were more civil times. There is no room for discussion on many threads it must be a litany of absolutely lock step adoration. Taking abuse every day isn't pleasant but I guess to partake of free speech I'll have to take it.

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          #6.2 - Thu Aug 21, 2008 8:03 PM EDT
          {"commentId":2535277,"authorDomain":"roybatty"}
          Just one of the Millions of fed up Moderate Democrats!

          One look at your history of articles clearly indicates your bias.

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          • 3 votes
          #6.3 - Thu Aug 21, 2008 8:03 PM EDT
          {"commentId":2536489,"authorDomain":"Orwell"}

          I agree. The only articles no mcgovern ever seems to seed are those that take shots at the Democratic contender. I'm willing to bet donuts that if Hillary had gotten the nomination, he'd be screaming about the racism of the Democratic Party.

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          #6.4 - Thu Aug 21, 2008 9:23 PM EDT
          {"commentId":2541253,"authorDomain":"fallenmitten"}

          I'm just curious Mcgovern if you're going to vote Ind/Green party or not all since Obama is not your man.

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            #6.5 - Fri Aug 22, 2008 10:00 AM EDT
            {"commentId":2541524,"authorDomain":"lpwillham"}

            Tyler

            Like everyone else, I am waiting to see who the VP pick will be, I have always voted democratic. Given the list of VP choices Obama has , if Clinton is not the VP pick I am afraid I'd have to vote for McCain. At least if she is there I know Obama will try to stay honest, because lets face it, he knows she's watching him, because if he did anything wrong and got impeached, she is there to take over,

            Clinton , in my opinion, is a "safety valve". Obama with someone like Bayh or Biden will pretty much do what he wants and I cant afford to have my taxes go up that much.

            Frankly I trust Obama about as much as Nixon, dont know why? It's just a 'gut' feeling.

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            #6.6 - Fri Aug 22, 2008 10:24 AM EDT
            {"commentId":2541546,"authorDomain":"fallenmitten"}

            Ok thanks for answering. I'll probably vote for him regardless of his VP choice as I trust his decision. We'll all know soon...

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              #6.7 - Fri Aug 22, 2008 10:27 AM EDT
              {"commentId":2543055,"authorDomain":"JoulesBeef"}

              lol he says he is waitign to see the vp pick and yet I have seen him in mccain articels praising mccain.
              anyways.. this debunks throughlyy thwat mcgovern is one of millions moderate dems I also want to point out where he gets his nick from. Kinda odd a man who claims to be a dema nd wants to save the party from another mcgovern, would actively fight to have another mcgovern happen.

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                #6.8 - Fri Aug 22, 2008 12:15 PM EDT
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                {"commentId":2536465,"authorDomain":"juno"}

                Good stuff No!

                I don't know if this was a coincidence or not, I lean toward thinking it is though.

                BO is getting too much out of it, for it to have been a McCain plan.

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                Reply#7 - Thu Aug 21, 2008 9:21 PM EDT
                {"commentId":2536700,"authorDomain":"lpwillham"}

                I would have agreed with you except McCain had all this data ready, the ad and everything!

                ABC reported :http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/08/mccain-plans-ad.html

                Highlights:

                "If you want to talk about a housing problem," McCain spokesman Brian Rogers tells ABC News, "Sen. Obama certainly has one when he bought his million dollar mansion with the help of a convicted felon."

                "That's a house that he could not have bought without Mr. Rezko's actions," said Rogers. "It raises questions about his judgment. And you know it is an issue that we think the American people care far more about than how many houses or properties or dog houses that John and Cindy McCain have."

                The McCain campaign is not disclosing how much money it is planning to put behind its Rezko ad but vows that it will air on broadcast television in "key states."

                Script For "Housing Problem" (TV :30)

                ANNCR: Barack Obama knows a lot about housing problems.

                One of his "biggest fundraisers" helped him buy his million-dollar mansion.

                Purchasing part of the property he couldn't afford.

                From Obama, Rezko got "political favors" including "14 million from taxpayers."

                Now, he's a convicted felon, facing jail.

                That's a housing problem.

                JOHN MCCAIN: I'm John McCain and I approved this message.

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                #7.1 - Thu Aug 21, 2008 9:37 PM EDT
                {"commentId":2536781,"authorDomain":"juno"}

                I understood that to be a reply to BO's statements this afternoon.

                And that the JM ad will be out, to counter the ad BO got out today. Is the JM ad out already?

                Saw BO's.

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                • 2 votes
                #7.2 - Thu Aug 21, 2008 9:43 PM EDT
                {"commentId":2536838,"authorDomain":"juno"}

                Okay I found it. Not bad.

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                • 2 votes
                #7.3 - Thu Aug 21, 2008 9:47 PM EDT
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                {"commentId":2536986,"authorDomain":"lpwillham"}

                The gop.com apparently released a HUGE statement about Obama and his ties to Rezko on their website today, The marketwatch website reported it at 2:36 pm today to they had to have it ready pretty quick.

                Combine that with McCain already having the ad ready I think they 'tricked Obama" into taking the bait of McCain "forgetting" how many houses he owned, Its just too much,too quick.

                The GOP.COM website:

                http://www.gop.com/news/NewsRead.aspx?Guid=2a83ee76-c62b-45f9-bbd3-936067b8f119

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                • 2 votes
                Reply#8 - Thu Aug 21, 2008 9:58 PM EDT
                {"commentId":2537036,"authorDomain":"brianford"}

                As has been mentioned, I'm not sure McCain is in a position to slam Obama on questionable judgement.

                After a lengthy investigation, the Senate Ethics Committee determined in 1991 that Alan Cranston, Dennis DeConcini, and Donald Riegle had substantially and improperly interfered with the FHLBB in its investigation of Lincoln Savings. Senators John Glenn and John McCain were cleared of having acted improperly but were criticized for having exercised "poor judgment".

                Probably not a game he should get involved in.

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                Reply#9 - Thu Aug 21, 2008 10:01 PM EDT
                {"commentId":2537185,"authorDomain":"lpwillham"}

                I agree but I think they took a calculated risk. With the convention coming I expect every Republican 527 to be running negative ads.

                I would guess their goal is to keep Obama from getting any "convention bounce" in the polls, I would imagine the same tactic during the Republican convention by Obama.

                I think this will be the messiest next 3 months in history! There wont be any lack of stuff for us all to discuss!

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                • 4 votes
                #9.1 - Thu Aug 21, 2008 10:10 PM EDT
                {"commentId":2541274,"authorDomain":"fallenmitten"}

                Pretty sad huh? They poke at each other while I have a hard time paying bills and worry about job security.

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                • 2 votes
                #9.2 - Fri Aug 22, 2008 10:02 AM EDT
                {"commentId":2541421,"authorDomain":"lpwillham"}
                Pretty sad huh? They poke at each other while I have a hard time paying bills and worry about job security.

                You dont think either candidate want's to talk about issues do you, something eth voters actually cared about? In an election year? The LAST thing either side wants to talk about is issues.

                We have two weak candidates.

                Next will be "who'se car gets the best gas mileage" or I own fewer cars than you so I am more in touch.

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                • 2 votes
                #9.3 - Fri Aug 22, 2008 10:16 AM EDT
                {"commentId":2541478,"authorDomain":"fallenmitten"}

                I'm not sure if you're agreeing with me or not.

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                • 1 vote
                #9.4 - Fri Aug 22, 2008 10:20 AM EDT
                {"commentId":2541577,"authorDomain":"lpwillham"}

                I am agreeing with you Tyler

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                • 2 votes
                #9.5 - Fri Aug 22, 2008 10:29 AM EDT
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                {"commentId":2537506,"authorDomain":"bondibox"}

                There is no way McCain intentionally flubbed the number of houses question. Obama gets such a clear shot in under 30 seconds, tied to the "$5 Million means you're rich" remark, and that lasts. McCain has to describe this intricate land deal, which really only adds up to "huh? big deal." In order for McCain to hit a homerun, he has to spend 2+ minutes explaining. And if you're explainin', you ain't winnin'.

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                Reply#10 - Thu Aug 21, 2008 10:33 PM EDT
                {"commentId":2537705,"authorDomain":"smackcover"}
                There is no way McCain intentionally flubbed the number of houses question.

                Then it was the hand of G-d that made him forget. Take that haters!

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                • 3 votes
                #10.1 - Thu Aug 21, 2008 10:45 PM EDT
                {"commentId":2540882,"authorDomain":"juno"}

                The 5 mil thing really befuddles me. Why isn't that considered rich? Or is it, and you think it's TOO rich?

                He said it as a joke, but seriously, that high of a threshold gives more people a break, so what's wrong with that?

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                • 3 votes
                #10.2 - Fri Aug 22, 2008 9:12 AM EDT
                {"commentId":2541298,"authorDomain":"bondibox"}

                As Obama is now saying "I guess that means that people making $3 Million a year are only doing O.K." Even if you lived in New York City, I'd say the threshold for "rich" is a lot lower.

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                  #10.3 - Fri Aug 22, 2008 10:05 AM EDT
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                  {"commentId":2540598,"authorDomain":"king56"}

                  The bottom line is that Old Mcbush at age 72 will naturally suffer from memory loss.So give him a break America when he fobs and fibs his lines."My friends thats is why he needs the democratic double agent Joey Lie-berman at his side at all times

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                    Reply#11 - Fri Aug 22, 2008 8:22 AM EDT
                    {"commentId":2540737,"authorDomain":"lnab"}

                    McCain's flub is going to turn out to be Obama's undoing. Barry should have stayed quiet...now they are all talking about REZKO... which will lead to ACORN... which will finally uncover what a Chicago political hack Obama IS and HAS ALWAYS been

                    a man of no real accomplishment audacious enough to sell a very big lie to the 17 million people. But I think that is going to be about ALL he'll end up with in the election.

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                    • 1 vote
                    Reply#12 - Fri Aug 22, 2008 8:50 AM EDT
                    {"commentId":2541357,"authorDomain":"lpwillham"}
                    McCain's flub is going to turn out to be Obama's undoing. Barry should have stayed quiet...now they are all talking about REZKO... which will lead to ACORN... which will finally uncover what a Chicago political hack Obama IS and HAS ALWAYS been

                    Obama "had" sucessfully dodged the whole Dirty Chicago Politician tag, so far, but I had to wonder about how much lobger he can avoid it.

                    Having bought and sold more than a few houses in my day, I know from experience what buying houses is like. It was not 'coincidental" that Rezko who raised 250K for Obama, "just happened" to buy the lot next door to the home Obama wanted. Obama saved 300K because the seller got full price on that Lot. Had Rezko, conveniently" not come along, Obam would have had to pay close to full price,and probably at the time couldnt have afforded it..

                    Since Rezko was a developer you wouldn't want to make your lot "less buildable" by selling off "part" of it. To do that would definitely be a "big favor" , the question is did Obama do a "big favor" to the Rezkos by paying way more that a 10 foot strip of land was worth?

                    You don't have to be a "rocket scientist' to figure that one out.

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                    #12.1 - Fri Aug 22, 2008 10:10 AM EDT
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                    {"commentId":2540869,"authorDomain":"king56"}

                    The Righteous Republicans motto is let the rich stay rich and let the poor "eat cake" .I say off with their heads or what is left of their brains.

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                    • 1 vote
                    Reply#13 - Fri Aug 22, 2008 9:10 AM EDT
                    {"commentId":2541094,"authorDomain":"wbillreyes"}

                    John McCain graduated 894th in a class of 899 at the Naval Academy at Annapolis. His father and grandfather were four star admirals in the Navy. Some have suggested that might have played a role in McCain being admitted. His academic record was awful. And it shows over and over again whenever McCain is called upon to think on his feet.

                    The media -- many of them card-carrying members of the John McCain Protection Society -- continue to paper over each new crack in the McCain-as-foreign-policy-authority myth: they love McCain, or at least the McCain they've created in their minds, and they're uncomfortable and embarrassed when the real McCain shows that he no longer has much to do with the character they've created.

                    John McCain is as intellectually shallow as our current president. When asked what his Christian faith means to him, his answer was a one-liner. "It means I'm saved and forgiven." Great scholars have wrestled with the meaning of faith for centuries. McCain then retold a story we've all heard a hundred times about a guard in Vietnam drawing a cross in the sand.

                    McCain was asked to define rich. After trying to dodge the question -- his wife is worth a reported $100 million -- he finally said he thought an income of $5 million was rich.
                    One after another, McCain's answers were shallow, simplistic, and trite. He showed the same intellectual curiosity that George Bush has -- virtually none.

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                      Reply#14 - Fri Aug 22, 2008 9:41 AM EDT
                      {"commentId":2543118,"authorDomain":"JoulesBeef"}
                      John McCain graduated 894th in a class of 89

                      we really need a law bannign these poor students.. and notice ho many getting into these great colleges on the coattails of their parrents.
                      Anyoen think that goat herder from kenya got obama into harvard?
                      Looks like Obama actually had to work for it.

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                        #14.1 - Fri Aug 22, 2008 12:20 PM EDT
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                        {"commentId":2541919,"authorDomain":"PrimarySources"}
                        The McCain campaign had said little of this as they were runningan avbove board campaign.

                        As clearly demonstrated by this discussion.

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                        • 1 vote
                        Reply#15 - Fri Aug 22, 2008 10:54 AM EDT
                        {"commentId":2543138,"authorDomain":"JoulesBeef"}

                        lololol
                        yeah.. well see you can do that.. just like mccain is running a pubically financed campaign, that limits his spending... well except it DOES NOT LIMIT THE GOP and they can spend as much as they want to attack obama.

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                        • 1 vote
                        #15.1 - Fri Aug 22, 2008 12:22 PM EDT
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                        {"commentId":2541933,"authorDomain":"PrimarySources"}

                        Oh, and by the way....please re-categorize this miscategorized editorial as "opinion".

                        Thank you.

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                        • 2 votes
                        Reply#16 - Fri Aug 22, 2008 10:55 AM EDT
                        {"commentId":2566575,"authorDomain":"lossr"}

                        I hope anyone reading the poorly researched article above will do "full" research. McCain has far more real skeletons than the media informs the citizens about. This guy was associated and admonished as a US Senator for his role in the largest and most costly government bailout in our history caused by one of his donors, Charles Keating. It was none other than George Bush who ran an ad in the 2004 South Carolina primary reminding citizenship about McCain's integrity and his listing as one of the "Keating Five".
                        Now despite his role in cleaning up election ethics, we find that he assisted one of his "innovators"(a person who donates over $250,000 to his campaign),Donald Diamond,to obtain land at Fort Ord for the same amount of money. Mr Diamond resold the land two years later ,with less than $1,000,000 of improvements,for $20,000,000.00.
                        McCain did not play Obama,it is the author of the article who is trying to play readers with spin based on an allegation by one candidate rather than giving the full facts and similar allegations for both candidates.

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                        Reply#17 - Sun Aug 24, 2008 11:09 AM EDT
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